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  Photosynthesis and the problem with the creation story

  by purrpurr in

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  i just noticed in the bible that on day three, god created the plants and trees on the earth.... day four, god created the sun, moon and stars!

  so that means that the vegetation that is by its very nature dependant upon light to grow and photosynthesise was created a day before the sun that it needs to live!???.

  this gets even more strange when you factor in the jw exhuse that a day to god is like a thousand years.

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  Half banana

  The Bible is a very misleading book!
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  Death is not something to be feared!

  by iconoclastic in

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  science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

  ) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

  next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

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  Half banana

  Religion is fantasy dressed up as real life, the emotionally needy and the gullible fall for it all the time.

  
  

  
  
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  Death is not something to be feared!

  by iconoclastic in

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  science can explain how of things, but it cannot explain why of certain things (for example, why did life arise from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms only to die and disappear?

  ) so are the conflicted religions whose chief concern is in safeguarding each ones separate identity..

  next option is to look for pearls among the stonesusing power of our own reason.

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  Half banana

  That’s better Icon, you are at least more focussed. However your reasoning still does not flow from statement based on evidence to a logical end.

  Indeed science does have limitations, doesn’t everything? But at least whatever is determined scientifically has to be on a more reliable footing than any religious superstition.

  Let me illustrate: You quote Jesus and his quotation inserted into the Biblical text for the purpose of perpetuating and keeping air-born as it were, the hope of immortal life. Jesus could never literally have been quoted in saying this since it was written years after he was supposed to be alive and by someone who never heard him speak. (You cannot believe the Bible for evidence since it is a collection of fables re-worked for historical plausibility). The origin of this idea of the “seed” as an illustration of life continuing after death was part of the agricultural mythos in the religious beliefs of the earliest farmers back in the late New Stone Age. It resonated with all farming folk as their hope for something better than the “short and brutal life” to which they were born. The Goddess Ceres (as in cereal) represents this ancient belief.

  You say with reference to the seed myth; “This kind of reasoning will only help us (never harm us)” I have to strongly disagree. Holding on to myths and folk-lore can harm people immensely, it ignores reality. It has no basis for human progress or logical thought. Conversely, “this kind of reasoning” has the makings of collective delusions which result in religious obligations which are then commandeered by temporal lobe defective authority figures to form crazy cults. It results in mental slavery.

  Medicine can scientifically i.e. reliably and accurately, describe the process of death, it is emotionally devastating for the bereaved... but it is final, it is an incontrovertible truth. The quest for cheating death is perhaps the driving force for all religious straw-clutching, the very reason why religion exists; to soften the blow of the pain of death.

  You are fooling yourself if you think you can overcome death. From among the 105 billion people who have lived so far, there is not one reliably recorded instance of overcoming it. Are you going to be the first?
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  Has anyone seen this video?

  by vinman in

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  about 4 months back, apostate lon posted a youtube video entitled watchtower society broadcasts pagan symbol.

  i try not to believe in conspiracy theories but that symbol just doesn't belong there...hmm.

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  Half banana

  Vinman (we 'met' briefly on Ex JW forum) I agree with Fink; stylised wings are just stylised wings whether ancient Egyptian or drawn by hand. Russell however was much taken with pyramidology and esoteric belief as corroborative evidence for the Bible.

  The greater shock for an ex JW is that almost all of the Bible, including the Christ story, is from pagan sources and mainly coming through Egyptian mythology for that matter.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses want to invite you to their newly refurbished hall!

  by username in

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  2. beliefs

  i just seen this on goggle news.

  a report into a hall actually being refurbished!.

  http://www.thecomet.net/news/stevenage_s_jehovah_s_witnesses_celebrate_worship_hall_s_makeover_and_invite_public_to_come_along_1_4228859.

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  Half banana

  To go to a Kingdom Hell is about as exciting as watching paint dry. They must be very short of news in Stevenage.
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  New hominid Species Discovered in South Africa

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  homo naledi has been added to our family tree but exactly where, is still to be discovered.

  read more here.... over 1500 fossils making up 15 separate individuals have been discovered in a cave near johannesburg.

  here are a few highlights of it's anatomy.... the skull was globular, like a member of our genus but the brain was small and primitive.

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  Half banana

  Patience Rebel! give it time. When the research is done a date will be arrived at.(I already have suggested it might be in the region of 1.75 million years). In this case the determination will be based on the phylogeny or the biological "family" characteristics.This will slot the physical features evident in the skeletons into the known evolutionary developments in the hominid family. Whatever the results it will continue to put more nails into the creationist coffin.
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  New hominid Species Discovered in South Africa

  by cofty in

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  homo naledi has been added to our family tree but exactly where, is still to be discovered.

  read more here.... over 1500 fossils making up 15 separate individuals have been discovered in a cave near johannesburg.

  here are a few highlights of it's anatomy.... the skull was globular, like a member of our genus but the brain was small and primitive.

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  Half banana

  For clarity's sake, the concept of a missing link is unscientific since 'chains' do not metaphorically illustrate the scientifically determined theorem of evolution. If you want to find an intermediate genus between man and ape there are a half a dozen or so species of the hominin called Australopithecus found in the Rift Valley of Tanzania and down south-westwards down to the Transvaal in South Africa. They walked walked upright, had human like teeth but were able to climb trees easily. At the same time more human-like hominins of the genus Homo lived alongside them.

  The new find H. naledi, does look like an early Homo erectus species which might date it around 1.5 to 2 million years before present but a lot more post-excavation research will be needed to bring to light all the evidence.

  For the record, whereas due to great advances in medicine we are now taller and healthier than we were a hundred years ago, if we were to travel back in time half a milllion years in Europe including southern England, the species of human H. heidleburgensis were taller still than we are now and extremely robustly built. (I visited the primary UK archaeological site during excavations at Boxtree).
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  Are you angry for having been a JW?

  by Half banana in

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  2. beliefs

  i remember seeing the ex-jws parading around outside the assembly like lepers holding placards of hate.

  we were the righteous and enlightened ones... and they were lost in outer darkness.

  just dont look at them was the standard response to their unwelcome presence..

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  Half banana

  So the answer is mainly yes we have anger towards the Watchtower org...can we put it to use. I wonder?

  Phizzy, regrets; most certainly but the anger is towards the smug self-righteousness of the GB. The lack of care for those sexually abused is symptomatic of the ethos of the whole organisation. It exists for the furtherance of its leadership and nothing else. They foster a culture of dependency based on the edicts of the GB as if they come from God's own mouth... but in practice there is a systematic emotional abuse of all its subordinate members.

  Not surprising that some of the emotionally abused go on to do similar abusive things to others.
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  Are you angry for having been a JW?

  by Half banana in

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  i remember seeing the ex-jws parading around outside the assembly like lepers holding placards of hate.

  we were the righteous and enlightened ones... and they were lost in outer darkness.

  just dont look at them was the standard response to their unwelcome presence..

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  Half banana

  I remember seeing the ex-JWs parading around outside the assembly like lepers holding placards of hate. We were the righteous and enlightened ones... and they were lost in outer darkness. “Just don’t look at them” was the standard response to their unwelcome presence.
  

  But hold on a minute why should they want to disrupt the peace of a convention? Why bother taking time and effort especially when nobody takes any notice?

  No one including me stopped to think they might have a point to make! They are just so wrong we thought, and we were so right! It’s simple JW black-and-white, us-and-them thinking. Life is so simplified for a JW... it’s either the holy GB or Satan... no half measures, no subtleties to the meaning of things. You don’t even have to bother your brain to think.

  We on the other hand have used our brains and given it a good amount of thought followed up with research. I am angry for losing my family to this self righteous deluded and harmful cult but frankly, at the same I am also much happier for not being under the Watchtower spell.

  How about you, are any of you still angry? Even years later?

  Shouldn’t we show the Jdubs just how angry we are to have been deceived by the WTS?

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  BBC interview about 1975 - never heard this before..

  by defender of truth in

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  2. beliefs

  for any lurkers who don't believe the watchtower taught that the world would end in 1975... rare jehovah's witnesses 1968 interview "armageddon and 1975" london watchtower rep speaks to bbc.

  http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=npmt-ml-m-g. --------.

  but where will this system of things be by that time?

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  Half banana

  Phil Reece had seemed to me to be a reasonable human being (I was young when I met him) but listening to his paranoid drivel just now indicates he was just a Watchtower zombie. Interesting though, was that not many years after the interview he was dismissed from the London Bethel for alcohol dependency. Perhaps he knew it was all baloney and sought a refuge in drink.